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10 January 2013 @ 04:58 am
Defining Sexual Orientation  
Hi everyone,

You may remember me from about 6 weeks ago; I posted to discuss an experience (and additional experiences) I had with another woman and my struggle to understand what that meant about my sexuality, particularly given that I had been with men from the beginning. I got a lot of great advice, so, I'm back. :)

I'm well aware that sexuality has the potential to be a very fluid thing; that I don't need to stress myself out trying to find the appropriate label for myself. I'm "going with the flow," figuring out how I feel, and doing my best not to concentrate on the gay/bi/curious/straight thing. I'm just feelin' what I feel when I feel it (name that show!). I fail at this often.

A lot of the thoughts I've been having involve the debate of love vs. sex in the context of sexuality, and what one means versus the other. To be more specific: I have had sex with men and enjoyed it, been turned on. I could do it again and enjoy it just as much. I have had emotional reactions to men, felt attachment to them. Under that definition, you could say I'm at least half straight, right? The problem with this rationale is that I have never loved a man, or felt truly known/understood by one. This is with 10+ years of relationship experience under my belt (albeit a lot of it in my teenage years). I have broken up with plenty of guys and felt very little loss or pain, which I attributed to a lack of love and a lack of genuine connection; to them not being "the one" (gag). I am questioning this now.
With women I feel turned on, I enjoy sex, giving and receiving... and I feel connected. I feel attachment. I feel understood. I feel love and friendship and sex in one. Comfortable. Known. Natural.

With that being said... how does one then define their sexuality? By who they can sleep with and enjoy it, who can touch them correctly, or by who they can love? One, but not the other? Can one comfortably define themselves as a a gay woman if they still feel sexual desire for men (although a lot less)? Can one comfortably define themselves as a bisexual woman if they feel no real connection to men?

I would really appreciate thoughts on this.

Also, related but unrelated newbie question: having established that I find women attractive, it is "normal" to have that not catch up as quickly in every day life? For example, I used to go about my day and if I saw a good looking guy, I'd sort of check him out in my head. With women I never did, and sometimes I do now, though not a lot. It's like I'm having to train my brain to start noticing women regularly. I don't know whether to attribute this to having been raised in a heteronormative society as a "straight girl" or to an actual lack of interest in eyeing women. Or if this is common given that many women are not gay/interested. Like a "don't bother" mentality.

Um. Can you tell I'm a little confused?

I know this post comes off sort of "tell me what I am"-ish, but I promise it is not. I'm aware that it's not that easy. I just want to know whether anyone else has had a similar process, and get input on where love falls in the defining of sexuality for them - if it does at all.

Thanks!
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bluetoesocks on January 10th, 2013 09:53 pm (UTC)
I commented on your last post- we have some things in common, including that we both lived as straight for a long time before realizing we were queer. I said this last time, but let me say it again- thinking of myself as straight, especially for such a long time, had a huge impact on how I thought of myself as queer for the next few years. Could be the same for you.
When I was a teenager I had a lot of queer friends and lived in a pretty queer-friendly environment so of course I would wonder if I was too, and I'd look at women and ask myself how I felt- I'd get nothing, but looking back that had more to do with the fact that I was asking myself the wrong questions in the wrong ways.
Rest assured, years later I check out girls pretty much automatically all the time. It will come ;)
patricia_writes: Kiss Lpatricia_writes on January 11th, 2013 12:58 am (UTC)
What a great post! I know you aren't struggling to apply a label to yourself, but there is an awesome book about sexual fluidity by Lisa Diamond. (Link on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Sexual-Fluidity-Understanding-Womens-Desire/dp/0674032268/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1357864376&sr=8-1&keywords=lisa+diamond). This book is a scientific, psychological study of ~80 non-heterosexual women over 10 years. The focus is on how those changes occurred for these women. Even if you're not worried about labels, it's a great book. When I came out as queer after a lifetime of heterosexuality, 2 marriages to men, and 2 children, I read as much as I could to help myself figure out what was happening to me. I'm an academic nerd and it sounds silly to read up on being queer, but that's what I did and it helped. Just a thought. The book has loads of interesting case histories from the women in her study and sometimes it's just good to hear what someone else experienced.

At any rate, I think that you're right about the idea that you don't check women out like you used to with men, and maybe still do. Yeah, I can say this was heteronormative programming for me, but it's also true that about 90% of the women you COULD check out are probably straight anyway. I do find that the longer I'm in queer spaces and communities, I've become better at reading women and figuring out who's likely not heterosexual. Plus, I'm very attracted to butch women and they're usually easier to read.

I totally get what you're saying about the more real, more palpable connection you can have with a woman that just seems lacking in relationships with men. I have been DEVASTATED by break ups with women in ways that I never would have been, ever, with men. My current partner, I can honestly say, has caught my heart, mind, and soul more completely than any other person in my life. I cannot imagine my life without her. Honestly.

Can one comfortably define themselves as a bisexual woman if they feel no real connection to men? I would say yes, but only if you find it necessary. It's in your past. I prefer "queer" for myself because I don't think someone who's been married to men twice and has children but only been with women for about 5 years can really claim "lesbian". And I don't like "bisexual" because I am so much MORE attracted to women than to men right now, that it doesn't give my feelings justice. Plus, claiming queer as who I am is empowering, brave. Or at least it feels that way now.

Best wishes,
Trish

Edited at 2013-01-11 01:00 am (UTC)
callmewhenyoucallmewhenyou on January 11th, 2013 04:23 pm (UTC)
Being that I am a total nerd too I will totally be buying this book. Thanks so much for all of your input, it really helped!
Victoria: ST - teacup and bookbikucha on January 11th, 2013 06:55 am (UTC)
I can completely relate to this post.

I'm not a fan of labels just because I don't feel that I fit well in them. Although I feel a lot of pressure from society to pick a label. I can be attracted to a man, had decent relationships with them. When I brake up with them I'm move on without skipping a beat. I've only had one serious relationship with a woman and honestly she was horrible, but I fell for her hard. A year later and I'm still trying to get over it. I have a crush on a girl right now can't stop thinking about her. Yet I swoon every time I see a Robert Downey Jr movie lol. It's confusing. I pretty much just date women now, because I have in the past had deeper feelings for women. I'm still attracted to men, but I don't have any interest in dating them.
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